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Njaiguni Blaze · Jun 15, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08

lawl, coloneh, lawl
You remind me of someone

Free Wind · Jun 15, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Mesmers and Paragon useless?! O'Rly?

Vanguished entire game with 2 hero Mesmers and 2 hero Paragons in my team

Warrior (me)
MM (hero)
Mesmer - Norgu (Illusion+Dom mesmer, Ineptitude Elite)
Paragon (damage booster)
Monk (friend)
Mesmer - Norgu (Dom mesmer, Power Block elite)
Monk - Dunkoro
Paragon hero (party support)

Was easy as hell, most areas felt like normal mode

We took 2 mesmers (Norgus) into vanguishing Deissa Lowlands - Flame temple -> Dragon Gullet - NOT A SINGLE Death Nova, Amimate or Meteor Shower finished casting by foes, NOT A SINGLE one

Udky · Jun 15, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by Free Wind

Mesmers and Paragon useless?! O'Rly?

Vanguished entire game with 2 hero Mesmers and 2 hero Paragons in my team

Warrior (me)
MM (hero)
Mesmer - Norgu (Illusion+Dom mesmer, Ineptitude Elite)
Paragon (damage booster)
Monk (friend)
Mesmer - Norgu (Dom mesmer, Power Block elite)
Monk - Dunkoro
Paragon hero (party support)

Was easy as hell, most areas felt like normal mode

We took 2 mesmers (Norgus) into vanguishing Deissa Lowlands - Flame temple -> Dragon Gullet - NOT A SINGLE Death Nova, Amimate or Meteor Shower finished casting by foes, NOT A SINGLE one

Is very, very hard to believe that with basically only two damage delers directly W +MM and one (Dom) indirect, you really VQ all game! There are so many areas with so many mobs that is no way the build to be effective, either because no corps for MM, either due to the varaety of mobs that will simple wipe the team w/o even to realize what happens.

Form experience: there no fix team that will work in all areas. This is something that Anet really take good care in HM, forcing the user to be more flexible and dynamic to be successfull!! Besides, your exaples - really simple areas!

Marth Reynolds · Jun 15, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

sorry to all you mesmer lovers out there, but you just dont do that much for the team.

Yes , cause they are so useless that they can interupt dozen of spells preventing your team from dying, but hé you can't see that can you? only the mesmer will know.
/sarcasm

granted that mesmers are a bit worse in PvE where you don't need shutdown, interuption or anti hexes most of the time.

More on topic:
MM build:

[skill]Animate Flesh Golem[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill][skill]Animate Vampiric Horror[/skill][skill]Animate Shambling Horror[/skill][skill]Heal Area[/skill][skill]Blood of the master[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Skuld · Jun 15, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

don't need heal area, use glyph of lesser energy

rotting flesh is more damage than vampiric horror

Njaiguni Blaze · Jun 15, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

omg skuld, you changed your avatar :O

Cebe · Jun 15, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

and again fact casing dosnt help that much.

So what you're saying is if professions should be excluded because their primary attribute is useless, we should never take warriors? Strength sucks...

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

sorry to all you mesmer lovers out there, but you just dont do that much for the team.

I highly doubt you're sorry...

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

(i noticed no one defending paragons, we all know about them)

I'd rather have a Paragon or Mesmer than a Warrior in my PuG. Paragons don't need defending...their repeated nerfs do that - clearly they are too powerful for their own good...which kinda makes your statement that Paragons are worthless fail somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Marth Reynolds

[skill]Animate Flesh Golem[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill][skill]Animate Vampiric Horror[/skill][skill]Animate Shambling Horror[/skill][skill]Heal Area[/skill][skill]Blood of the master[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Are 4 minion skills really necessary? Personally I find that a little overkill.

My current preferred MM build looks like:
[skill]Aura of the Lich[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill][skill]Animate Shambling Horror[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Taste of Pain[/skill][skill]Deathly Swarm[/skill][skill]Signet of Lost Souls[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Sometimes I'll use [wiki]Jagged Bones[/wiki] instead of [wiki]Aura of the Lich[/wiki].

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Originally Posted by toddhd

Secondly, now I have heroes, and those heroes also need a solid build.

This is a nice place to find some hero builds, they generally seem tested by people since heroes don't often use skills in the way humans would: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...39#post2907439

Don't take notice of my builds...they're very old and outdated and I no longer use them...I aught to update sometime.

Free Wind · Jun 15, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Udky

Is very, very hard to believe that with basically only two damage delers directly W +MM and one (Dom) indirect, you really VQ all game! There are so many areas with so many mobs that is no way the build to be effective, either because no corps for MM, either due to the varaety of mobs that will simple wipe the team w/o even to realize what happens.

Form experience: there no fix team that will work in all areas. This is something that Anet really take good care in HM, forcing the user to be more flexible and dynamic to be successfull!! Besides, your exaples - really simple areas!

Well, what I wrote was actually badly worded - we did vanguish entire game, most of it with two mesmers in team, that is what should have been written. And of course you're right, that wasnt the only team setup we used - for instance, we had 3 warriors (me, koss, goren) for Lagoon in Tyria (those 8-12 chained Cries of Frustration didnt leave a chance to cast anything), once we took 2 MMs (by mistake :-) and steam-rolled Silent Surf in Cantha, 2 hybrid Fire/Smite eles for Rotscale, many areas I just hero+henched, in some areas damage paragon hero was kicked for a friend - SS necro. Plus there are lots of 4-men, 6-men party areas there as well

As for the damage.. mesmers do armour ignoring damage as opposed to elementalists, just take a look how much damage this spells can inflict and prevent:

[skill]Ineptitude[/skill][skill]Clumsiness[/skill][skill]Power Spike[/skill][skill]Backfire[/skill][skill]Energy Burn[/skill][skill]Hex Eater Vortex[/skill][skill]Shatter Hex[/skill][skill]Shatter Enchantment[/skill][skill]Spiritual Pain[/skill][skill]Visions of Regret[/skill]

Free Wind · Jun 15, 2007, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Gotta love this combo:

Me: [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] - > [skill]Dismember[/skill]
Olias: [skill]Virulence[/skill] - > [skill]Epidemic[/skill]

Deep Wound + Poison + Disease + Weakness to all adjacent

and then you just

[skill]Flail[/skill] + [skill]Triple Chop[/skill] + [skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill] + [skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill] non stop

Div · Jun 15, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

mesmers dont have a primary attribute in PvE. sure Fast Casting "works" but its not useful at all. all of those skills can be used on a N/Me or a E/Me just as well.

You can also run flare on a warrior. What's your point?

Free Wind · Jun 15, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

You can also run flare on a warrior. What's your point?

or Meteor Shower. Dont forget to get Glads armor, 20 base energy might not be enough!

quickmonty · Jun 15, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

sorry to all you mesmer lovers out there, but you just dont do that much for the team.

Ignorance is bliss.

Quote:

(i noticed no one defending paragons, we all know about them)

I guess my name is No One. ROFLMAO

Painbringer · Jun 15, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

mesmers dont have a primary attribute in PvE. sure Fast Casting "works" but its not useful at all. all of those skills can be used on a N/Me or a E/Me just as well.

But it sure is fun to disrupt someone casting a spell by casting the same spell right back at them. Example- Meteor Shower having your spell interrupt and damage them before they get the spell off is priceless.

Jun 15, 2007, 10:53 AM // 10:53	#29
Free Wind Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Moscow Profession: W/	Gotta love this combo: Me: [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] - > [skill]Dismember[/skill] Olias: [skill]Virulence[/skill] - > [skill]Epidemic[/skill] Deep Wound + Poison + Disease + Weakness to all adjacent and then you just [skill]Flail[/skill] + [skill]Triple Chop[/skill] + [skill]Cyclone Axe[/skill] + [skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill] non stop Last edited by Free Wind; Jun 15, 2007 at 10:57 AM // 10:57..

Jun 15, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08	#21
Njaiguni Blaze Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] Profession: Me/	lawl, coloneh, lawl You remind me of someone

Jun 15, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04	#22
Free Wind Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Moscow Profession: W/	Mesmers and Paragon useless?! O'Rly? Vanguished entire game with 2 hero Mesmers and 2 hero Paragons in my team Warrior (me) MM (hero) Mesmer - Norgu (Illusion+Dom mesmer, Ineptitude Elite) Paragon (damage booster) Monk (friend) Mesmer - Norgu (Dom mesmer, Power Block elite) Monk - Dunkoro Paragon hero (party support) Was easy as hell, most areas felt like normal mode We took 2 mesmers (Norgus) into vanguishing Deissa Lowlands - Flame temple -> Dragon Gullet - NOT A SINGLE Death Nova, Amimate or Meteor Shower finished casting by foes, NOT A SINGLE one

Jun 15, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51	#25
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	don't need heal area, use glyph of lesser energy rotting flesh is more damage than vampiric horror

Jun 15, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07	#26
Njaiguni Blaze Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2006 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] Profession: Me/	omg skuld, you changed your avatar :O